Let’s talk about other websites

I just added a paragraph to our commenting policy:

We don’t have a policy against mentioning other websites or posting links, provided it doesn’t get spammy and the intention isn’t to stir up trouble with the other site.

While it’s a general statement, it’s also specific to Caray, Caray!

When I left the site (and I wasn’t the only one), it was after six months of near-constant abuse by Kirby Johnson and Steve Boudreaux. On top of Kirby throwing around gender-based slurs and Steve threatening to kill me, Jane also accused me of trying to take over her site. So originally, I didn’t want to name names partly because of safety concerns and partly because I didn’t want to be accused of trying to poach readers. It’s been years now and all the talking around things is starting to feel silly.

So, yes, it’s fine to mention Caray, Caray! If you hang out there, you don’t need an engraved invitation to hang out here. You’re welcome here.

Just keep in mind that this is an entirely different site and I have my own way of running things. The commenting policy (linked above) makes it pretty clear, but for the sake of avoiding confusion, if you have specific questions about what I do or don’t allow, go ahead and ask them now.

Author: 5ftLatina

Kat is 5ftLatina. She is really 5' tall (and probably shrinking) and Latina. She is not actually a cactus, but she is both prickly and cute. Mr. 5ft is actually married to Kat, but is not 5' tall or Latina. He is also not a form of plant life.

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Jarifa
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Jarifa

Thanks for the clarification!

Sara
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Thank you, Kat. I’m sorry that you were accused of taking over when at that time you honestly thought you were helping Jane and the site. I know how loyal you were to it.

It has also bothered me that neither Kirby nor Steve have ever apologized for their behavior. I understand wanting to give people second chances, but their visceral reaction to having their comments removed was uncalled for. The fact that Kirby has bragged about it does bother me. I have to learn to just get over it.

novelera
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novelera

Thanks, Kat. I appreciate your putting up something about what’s what vis á vis Caray, Caray! I’ve been on that site for many years; I switched my loyalties to Telemundo programming a long time ago. I just prefer the, to me, more realistic offerings from a network based in the U.S. I started watching telenovelas in 1998 when my co-worker from Zacatecas (We are still working together!) advised me to watch a novela from the very first episode to better understand what was going on and to polish up my comprehension of spoken Spanish. Telenovelas definitely help improve on years… Read more »

Sara
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Random thought. I’m sure there are those who blame one or both of us and feel we are the bullies. Except I’d like to think we always had the best interests of the site and recappers at heart. Kirby and Steve just wanted to be able to say what they wanted and not care about feelings.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I’ve been mulling this conversation over. Maybe what I’m about to say will need to get wooshed or maybe I should just stop being lazy and write a post entitled “The Recacpper’s Lament.” It was novelera who got me thinking again about the recapper (I kind of always am.) Anyhoo, she mentioned spending time on a recap and not getting a lot of action. I just want to sit in a virtual room with recappers past and present and pick their brains. Novelera is here, Kat is here, Jarifa stopped by (not sure if she’s been back) so here goes:… Read more »

Jarifa
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Jarifa

How do I see recapping? Hmmmmm. First of all I wouldn’t do it if there was no audience. I see it as me doing people a favor. I do not “need” to recap to enjoy show. If I can help others to do the same and get some conversation started about the show, I am happy. My interest in recapping is totally dependent on the show. I loved LF and ended up recapping that five nights a week just because of lovomg the humor and the small but loyal group who were watching. I did something similar with MMTF ending… Read more »

Sara
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Thanks for chiming in, Jarifa.

I enjoyed your recaps on Amores con trampa too.

I feel like I can always improve my Spanish so I don’t mind Spanish lessons. But I can see how it can be annoying.

Jane was the one who told Kat to remove comments. And really, calling people whores and cunts? I just can’t handle it. I’m not a good enough person.

I’m going to go do some thinking 😀

Jarifa
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Jarifa

Hey, if I had been called those names, I would have been gone. Who needs it?

Jarifa
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Jarifa

I never mind new vocabulary or sayings being pointed out. What I am talking about are basic vocabulary/grammar rules, like I never heard of them. Really?

Sara
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Have people addressed you directly with the basics? Or just in the recap.

I know sometimes I include those in recaps more as notes to myself or in case there is a novice reading and watching.

I’m pretty self conscious about my Spanish so a try not to be too pedantic.

Sara
Autora/ Author

Novela Maven always said she chose words that just tickled her fancy and I think that’s how I choose my vocabulary. She did a lot of good subjunctive lesson asides. I tend to avoid grammar because I barely get beyond pretérito vs imperfect in my classes so I assume if someone is watching a telenovela they are a little past that.

And there are words I don’t know that I come to discover are basic. #embarrassed.

stealth cacophony
Autora/ Author

“. At least if I’m talking I can kind of mumble if I’m not 100% sure I’m conjugating the verb correctly.” – My entire approach to speaking Spanish right there! I just mumble and hope the other person assumes I know what I’m saying

Sara
Autora/ Author

The most important thing is communication. 😀

Sara
Autora/ Author

PS-I think what I meant about needing recaps were the readers. Univision and Telemundo do English CCs, but I need to remember that a lot of people watch online or might not have newer model TVs with CC options built in.

I actually enjoy a show more when I don’t recap.

Jarifa
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Jarifa

Dealing with the general public, is like riding the bus in the big city. You never know who is going to be sitting next to you. Here you can control who gets on the bus, so to speak.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I like that.

This is more specific to Steve, but he’s like someone in the back row of the movie theater shouting random stuff while you try to enjoy the film. Wouldn’t you want the management to escort him out?

Kirby is fine until you piss him off. I’d rather not have that person at my party.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I’m still thinking about this…I like it.

Even if you don’t control who gets on the bus you might have to eventually deal with fewer passengers/bus drivers. People might stop riding the bus if they get tired of that whackadoo in the back giggling and shouting inanities or are afraid they might piss off that guy up front who appears nice…but you’ve seen him get mad at anyone who asked him to stop talking about boinking women.

novelera
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novelera

Sara, I love your comment about being a recapper. It IS a lot of work. My method is to watch it once (thank God for the genius who invented the DVR) skipping commercials. Then I use the back sides of discarded printer paper from our recycling bin at work and a really nice fountain pen and re-watch, writing as I go. I zip forward on scenes I’m going to give short shrift to. I synthesize interesting scenes and skip the ones that add nothing to the arc of the story. Sometimes, like when I worked until 8:30 pm on a… Read more »

novelera
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novelera

I just realized there’s a limit to the size and I had, perhaps, too much coffee today! Anyway, after all the other stuff I wrote, I wanted to say that there have been times for a Telemundo show when there were lots more comments and very interesting ones. There are not even 10 regular commenters now, and about 3 of those are annoying people. After Lado is over, I probably won’t do it again. Apparently I do need some kind of thanks and appreciation for what I write. And I love someone pointing out something I should have put more… Read more »

Sara
Autora/ Author

It’s so frustrating to be on my phone when I want to respond to so many wonderful comments and I don’t have the free reign of a keyboard! Prepare yourselves! I will be near a keyboard soon!

But before then – I hate to hear you might not recap again. Look at me saying that though. I haven’t recapped in a very long time.

Honestly I love editorial asides. Since I don’t need a recap for comprehension I absolutely LOVE hearing the recapper’s take on an episode.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I would be too afraid to comment. And I’d feel like things have settled and I wouldn’t want Kirby thinking he was being challenged. He does see him self as the great savior of Caray.

stealth cacophony
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In theory I write my notes longhand on the commercial breaks (*snort* yeah right) In real life I wish I wrote that fast, I have to pause too often. Also my memory isn’t that good, so some things I have to pause and get down when they’re happening, but watching the show twice just feels like it takes too long. It probably wouldn’t take that much longer, but it feels like it does, you know? The first show I recapped was a Tmundo show, it was nice to be able to just jump in to the comment stream and write… Read more »

Sara
Autora/ Author

“…but watching the show twice just feels like it takes too long. …”

Word. I don’t mind when I’m on a team and I only have to do once a week, but oh wow I can’t do that when I have to recap multiple. days.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I’m a watch once then take notes recapper like novelera.

Sara
Autora/ Author

Digo, when I’m not being lazy.

novelera
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novelera

The fountain pen is the secret. Writing with it is so smooth and effortless.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I’m a big vocabulary and dichos and – ismos nerd. I love when those are included.

As I said to Jarifa, even though I teach lower levels of high school Spanish I always feel like I can improve.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I think I’m going to put all these random thoughts in one new comment. I’m getting a little lost 😉 Motivation: I am definitely a recap for an audience/comments recapper. And I want acknowledgment for taking time out of my day to do it. Novelera, you mentioned your work schedule. Yup. A lot of recappers do so after a long day at work. And not all of us can listen to Spanish while simultaneously recapping in English. I don’t think there is anything wrong with expecting comments. In fact, that’s one reason why I tried to comment so much when… Read more »

Sara
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Style Mainly I’m lazy, lazy, lazy…but even the laziest of recaps can take up to 90 minutes…and that doesn’t include watching the show. Some people pre-cap (find the episode online and spend a lot of time on the recap) I think that’s wonderful and I’ve even tried it, but it made it hard to be in the conversation since I had essentially workd a week ahead. And when I know someone is precapping, I always wonder if they are dropping spoilers when they make “predictions” Honestly, another reason I love Telemundo shows is that they are usually first run here.… Read more »

Jarifa
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Jarifa

I have taken to pre-capping whenever I can. Then when i watch an episode I take notes so I know what I can comment on without giving anything away.

novelera
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novelera

Ah, NovelaMaven, I miss her!

Jarifa
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Jarifa

There are many missing from what I fondly call “the old guard”. I am using “old” only to refer to the group of recappers /commenters that seemed to be omnipresent when I started participating back in 2012.

Sara
Autora/ Author

The crop of shows from 2015-early 2017 didn’t help matters.

When I first got to Caray (2010) it seemed easy to drum up interest in shows and recapping. Things are looking better though. The shows have certainly gotten better.

Jarifa
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Jarifa

The shows might be getting better, but there is only a handful of recappers these days and really no takers.

Sara
Autora/ Author

That makes me so sad. (As I sit on my butt and don’t recap.)

I’m looking at stealth’s comment. It is so hard to put yourself out there, especially if you are unsure of your Spanish and there are some amazing recaps out there. It can feel intimidating. And people mean it to be helpful, but “here’s what you missed” can really depress you after you’ve spent forever on a recap.

So I think in a way the successful recappers who make it look so effortless can also make it harder for a new recapper to get up the courage.

stealth cacophony
Autora/ Author

Went back and re-read the post that started all this. Thank you for clearing that up, I always felt awkward mentioning CarayCaray and wondered if I shouldn’t, but I started out there and a few times a year check it for any interesting info, like stevey’s post about all the Televisa stars that got their contracts terminated. (oh lordy I hope I just credited the right person on that)
I don’t have the time/patience to follow it anymore, but I’d feel sad if Caray went away and I have some good memories from there.

Sara
Autora/ Author

I have good memories too.