Just when I thought Caray, Caray! could sink no lower

Updates below.

That blog continues to surprise me in new and unpleasant ways. They welcomed Kirby and Steve back into the fold, which is old news. Their sidebar went for years without an update and is now updated to list only SOME of the correct recap authors.

And now, the thing I thought I would never see:

Kirby’s name on the sidebar. So, just to clarify…I was deleting all his lewd comments, making myself look like I was lying, because if I didn’t “feed the troll” he’d go away and leave us alone?

Someone who harassed recap authors is now an author himself. What the hell message does that send?

I had someone send me an email scolding me about starting up “old animosities where none exist.” She also said

You were a valuable contributor to Caray as a gifted recapper, clever commenter, general manager of several tns and as a very capable administrator. Your legacy should continue to reflect those qualities.

As I replied to her,

My “legacy” is that no matter how “valuable” a contributor you are, you will never be more valuable than a white man who’s willing to make your life hell to get rid of you. My “legacy” is that inclusion is not as important as making sure white men aren’t uncomfortable.

And hey, maybe it’s not just about white men being comfortable. Maybe it’s about making sure people who are low-key casually racist, sexist, and homophobic comfortable. As another frequent commenter said “PC is a cloak that can smother and I would like to avoid it here.

But maybe you think I shouldn’t jump to conclusions. So when someone left a homophobic comment that was deleted without anyone explaining why, I did try to clarify what was/wasn’t allowed, but all my requests were deleted.

Deleting a homophobic comment and pretending it never happened isn’t “nice.” and it’s not “fun” for people who have to put up with that crap in their daily lives. Is anyone going to address the comment and let the readers know whether or not they’re welcome here?

Seriously, some guy was talking about “abominations” and nobody thought they needed to say “Hey, we don’t do homophobia around here. Take it somewhere else.” Nope. Because that wasn’t the rationale for the deletion. It’s because he was quoting the bible. There have been plenty of other homophobic comments still available for viewing, but they never brought religion into it.

I’m at a loss to figure out where this “no religion” rule came from. It sounds like one of the newer authors is taking Kirby’s advice about “the rules.”

Unknown New Member at 7:20. I want to welcome you once more. When I first found this site, I looked for written rules, but couldn’t find any…other than “No Spoilers.” I have learned that each recapping team/recapper has their own unwritten rules which are generally the same. Just an FYI, these are the rules I abide by on my pages:

1. Be respectful of others.
2. No spoilers—discussion of previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production is prohibited. Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin. This includes references to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel.
3. No politics or religion to the extent of proselytizing. These may be mentioned in context of the artistic vision and/or history of Mexican culture.
4. Be nice and…have fun!

 

Search Caray, Caray! for “Unwritten rules”–that is a stock Kirby phrase.

RGV this place is far from what it used to be. Years ago there were a lot of unwritten rules and a few little Napoleans who ruled with an iron hand. I was banned for a while. It is far more friendly now.

And did she say no politics? Hm…I guess that rule doesn’t apply to Steve.

Just to make sure I wasn’t misinterpreting things, I asked specific questions:

Is sexism allowed on this blog?
Is racism allowed on this blog?
Is homophobia allowed on this blog?
Is the objectification of women allowed on this blog?
Is the mocking of mental health issues allowed on this blog?
Are rape jokes allowed on this blog?

These are not difficult questions. There are examples of all these things clearly visible not just going back years, but in the last few weeks. Why do you refuse to answer?

The comment was deleted with no answer.

When another homophobic comment was left (nearly identical to the earlier one) and deleted again with no comment, I left a message of support:

I would like to reassure anyone non-cis and non-hetero that I don’t think you’re an abomination. Yes, I saw the deleted post and while I’m glad it’s gone I don’t want anyone to feel gaslighted.

that was once again deleted.

It is incredibly frustrating to have that much of my work up for display on a blog whose values don’t match my own, where I’m unwelcome, and where a harasser has been rewarded. I’ll be contacting the blog owner for a response and requesting anything with my byline be taken down…but I don’t expect to get a response about that either.

UPDATE 1:

So once again it’s my fault? Instead of doing something on her own blog where she actually CAN make a difference, she’s blaming it on me AGAIN. And I notice she doesn’t mention whether she agrees with my assessment or not. If she thinks I’m full of crap and everything is fine the way it is, then why not say so?

Why does she not leave commenting on for that post and maybe hear from the people who have been coming to me to say that yeah, they’ve noticed the changes over the years and they’re not good?

And yeah, I hear her about the current administration. It makes me think of Kirby getting away with everything and Steve sounding like 45.

So, yeah, I guess if you want to come cuss me out for ruining everything you might as well go ahead.

PLEASE SEE UPDATE 4 FOR THE EXACT TEXT OF THE EMAIL.

UPDATE 2:

No worries everyone, Kirby’s going to save you. It’s all good.

In what alternative universe is this acceptable? I refuse to have my work under this harasser’s control and have said so. (EMAIL TEXT IN UPDATE 4.)

UPDATE 3: I’ve been informed that “A committee is forming to take over the blog and you can write to them.” (EMAIL TEXT IN UPDATE 4.)

UPDATE 4: The actual sent/received emails. I have no way of answering questions about words I never used. I get that people are angry, but be angry for what I actually did, not someone else’s interpretation of it.

UPDATE 5: It’s confirmed. The person who harassed me has now had the blog handed over and has access to my writing. Meet your new blog administrator, who’s currently trying to do everything in secret and hoping no one will notice.

“Ha. Yes, Thank you Mother Google. 
I / we have to learn blogger HTML, but the nice thing is that Caray is in good shape and we do not have any fires to put out except for dispensing with the human viruses which have infected Caray.”

It’s probably in good shape because of my cleanup work, but hey, don’t mind me.

You may remember Kirby from the original “thinking of shutting down the blog” post:

So, my condolences to you and you know where to find me.

UPDATE 6: Response to “OPEN LETTER TO CARAYCARAY (sic) DEVOTEES”

Author: 5ftLatina

Kat is 5ftLatina. She is really 5' tall (and probably shrinking) and Latina. She is not actually a cactus, but she is both prickly and cute. Mr. 5ft is actually married to Kat, but is not 5' tall or Latina. He is also not a form of plant life.

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novelera
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novelera

Well, Kat, for the second time I am close to losing a telenovela blog that I treasure, having commented and/or written recaps since the very beginning when Jane Peppler created Caray, Caray and moved the traffic from her earlier blog. I have only watched Telemundo novelas for quite some time. I haven’t noticed any of these horrors that have you in such high dudgeon. Couldn’t you just stay off the blog? If it’s so despicable, just stop reading it. I’m furious that I am at risk of losing cyber friends whose humor, wit, and snarky comments I’ve loved for years.… Read more »

Sara
Autora/ Author

Has no one volunteered to take the blog? I thought someone had.

Linda F.
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Linda F.

Kat, I’m just curious about something. When I met Jane last year at an unrelated event, it sounded like she hadn’t looked at Caray in months (years?). So, who is it that has been deleting your comments?

Sara
Autora/ Author

Just a thought – I do understand that people are frustrated that this keeps coming up and that Kat can’t disengage. It is unfair to ask Kat to stay away. Kirby has a history of mocking the whole thing “detention hall” and “banned” (which is a falsehood.) It makes it hard for me to disengage as well. It’s why I’ve also requested my material be removed. I hope that with this new takeover someone will metaphorically take Kirby aside and ask that he also no longer talk about it. If we are being asked to move on, why does he… Read more »

Madame E!
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Madame E!

I’m sorry for all the issues you’ve had with Caray Caray in the past…It’s hard to let go of something you’ve put your whole being into…just curious…. how was K.J. harrassing you…..

Sara
Autora/ Author

While the worst of his comments were deleted, it just occurred to me that as admin, he has access to and the ability to delete any of his questionable comments. Essentially getting rid of the evidence.

I’m not sure that’s comforting to me.

Sara
Autora/ Author

Quick question – can admins on Caray edit other people’s posts?