Our original blurb made sense when the site was new, but lately it seems a little dry. And the passive voice was bothering me:
The show follows Elvis Infante, a diablero living and working in Mexico City. A diablero hunts down and captures demons, or at least that’s what Elvis does.
In a first ever blog crossover event, we’re planning to recap the show itself (Kat) and then get into an RPG analysis on Mr. 5ft’s gaming blog, Hours Without Sleep.
First, I note that this open letter has been posted in the comments of the most recent posts, rather than as a stand-alone post. I believe this accurately reflects the fragmented nature of the blog, where each “patio” is seen as separate and not responsible, or indeed aware, of what happens anywhere else on the blog.
I agree there have been changes to storylines and content of telenovelas and series, but I believe this is going in a more positive direction. I’m excited that we’re moving towards having more representation of people from marginalized communities. At the same time, I want to provide an environment that encourages and supports participation from people who might have previously felt excluded from conversation of Spanish-language television.
With regard to “The English language has also evolved and what used to be offensive is now part of social content nation-wide.” What I’m seeing is that language that used to be socially acceptable is now acknowledged as having a harmful effect. I have no wish to support the normalizing of racism, sexism, or general bigotry.
Absolutely, you can filter out the things you disagree with or find objectionable, but in the words of James Baldwin:
We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.
I do agree that your community is interested in “telenovelas, Spanish language and Central and Latin American culture,” however the tone and quality of the comments has become such that this interest is often expressed in a disrespectful way that “others” those cultures.
I’m not sure how you drew the conclusion that the availability of better closed captioning (I assume you mean in English) is the cause of the dwindling readership and participation on Caray, Caray! Your community has become smaller and several people have formed close personal relationships, which is not an issue in and of itself, but when the conversation drifts into the personal (which it often does) and away from the stated discussion topic, that may not create a welcoming environment for newcomers.
I wish you luck managing the technical aspect of the blog. I’m glad that during my tenure I took the time to streamline and update the template that provides the blog’s sidebar and that I came up with a solution that would allow the blog to be able to display a list of recaps for a given show.
I think it’s obvious we have different ideas about what makes for a good online environment. I hope this change ends up being a positive one for readers, participants, and authors and that everyone finds a place where they can feel at home.
That blog continues to surprise me in new and unpleasant ways. They welcomed Kirby and Steve back into the fold, which is old news. Their sidebar went for years without an update and is now updated to list only SOME of the correct recap authors.
And now, the thing I thought I would never see:
Kirby’s name on the sidebar. So, just to clarify…I was deleting all his lewd comments, making myself look like I was lying, because if I didn’t “feed the troll” he’d go away and leave us alone?
Someone who harassed recap authors is now an author himself. What the hell message does that send?
I had someone send me an email scolding me about starting up “old animosities where none exist.” She also said
You were a valuable contributor to Caray as a gifted recapper, clever commenter, general manager of several tns and as a very capable administrator. Your legacy should continue to reflect those qualities.
As I replied to her,
My “legacy” is that no matter how “valuable” a contributor you are, you will never be more valuable than a white man who’s willing to make your life hell to get rid of you. My “legacy” is that inclusion is not as important as making sure white men aren’t uncomfortable.
And hey, maybe it’s not just about white men being comfortable. Maybe it’s about making sure people who are low-key casually racist, sexist, and homophobic comfortable. As another frequent commenter said “PC is a cloak that can smother and I would like to avoid it here.”
But maybe you think I shouldn’t jump to conclusions. So when someone left a homophobic comment that was deleted without anyone explaining why, I did try to clarify what was/wasn’t allowed, but all my requests were deleted.
Deleting a homophobic comment and pretending it never happened isn’t “nice.” and it’s not “fun” for people who have to put up with that crap in their daily lives. Is anyone going to address the comment and let the readers know whether or not they’re welcome here?
Seriously, some guy was talking about “abominations” and nobody thought they needed to say “Hey, we don’t do homophobia around here. Take it somewhere else.” Nope. Because that wasn’t the rationale for the deletion. It’s because he was quoting the bible. There have been plenty of other homophobic comments still available for viewing, but they never brought religion into it.
I’m at a loss to figure out where this “no religion” rule came from. It sounds like one of the newer authors is taking Kirby’s advice about “the rules.”
Unknown New Member at 7:20. I want to welcome you once more. When I first found this site, I looked for written rules, but couldn’t find any…other than “No Spoilers.” I have learned that each recapping team/recapper has their own unwritten rules which are generally the same. Just an FYI, these are the rules I abide by on my pages:
1. Be respectful of others.
2. No spoilers—discussion of previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production is prohibited. Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin. This includes references to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel.
3. No politics or religion to the extent of proselytizing. These may be mentioned in context of the artistic vision and/or history of Mexican culture.
4. Be nice and…have fun!
Search Caray, Caray! for “Unwritten rules”–that is a stock Kirby phrase.
RGV this place is far from what it used to be. Years ago there were a lot of unwritten rules and a few little Napoleans who ruled with an iron hand. I was banned for a while. It is far more friendly now.
And did she say no politics? Hm…I guess that rule doesn’t apply to Steve.
Just to make sure I wasn’t misinterpreting things, I asked specific questions:
Is sexism allowed on this blog?
Is racism allowed on this blog?
Is homophobia allowed on this blog?
Is the objectification of women allowed on this blog?
Is the mocking of mental health issues allowed on this blog?
Are rape jokes allowed on this blog?
These are not difficult questions. There are examples of all these things clearly visible not just going back years, but in the last few weeks. Why do you refuse to answer?
The comment was deleted with no answer.
When another homophobic comment was left (nearly identical to the earlier one) and deleted again with no comment, I left a message of support:
I would like to reassure anyone non-cis and non-hetero that I don’t think you’re an abomination. Yes, I saw the deleted post and while I’m glad it’s gone I don’t want anyone to feel gaslighted.
that was once again deleted.
It is incredibly frustrating to have that much of my work up for display on a blog whose values don’t match my own, where I’m unwelcome, and where a harasser has been rewarded. I’ll be contacting the blog owner for a response and requesting anything with my byline be taken down…but I don’t expect to get a response about that either.
So once again it’s my fault? Instead of doing something on her own blog where she actually CAN make a difference, she’s blaming it on me AGAIN. And I notice she doesn’t mention whether she agrees with my assessment or not. If she thinks I’m full of crap and everything is fine the way it is, then why not say so?
Why does she not leave commenting on for that post and maybe hear from the people who have been coming to me to say that yeah, they’ve noticed the changes over the years and they’re not good?
And yeah, I hear her about the current administration. It makes me think of Kirby getting away with everything and Steve sounding like 45.
So, yeah, I guess if you want to come cuss me out for ruining everything you might as well go ahead.
PLEASE SEE UPDATE 4 FOR THE EXACT TEXT OF THE EMAIL.
No worries everyone, Kirby’s going to save you. It’s all good.
In what alternative universe is this acceptable? I refuse to have my work under this harasser’s control and have said so. (EMAIL TEXT IN UPDATE 4.)
UPDATE 3: I’ve been informed that “A committee is forming to take over the blog and you can write to them.” (EMAIL TEXT IN UPDATE 4.)
UPDATE 4: The actual sent/received emails. I have no way of answering questions about words I never used. I get that people are angry, but be angry for what I actually did, not someone else’s interpretation of it.
UPDATE 5: It’s confirmed. The person who harassed me has now had the blog handed over and has access to my writing. Meet your new blog administrator, who’s currently trying to do everything in secret and hoping no one will notice.
“Ha. Yes, Thank you Mother Google.
I / we have to learn blogger HTML, but the nice thing is that Caray is in good shape and we do not have any fires to put out except for dispensing with the human viruses which have infected Caray.”
It’s probably in good shape because of my cleanup work, but hey, don’t mind me.
You may remember Kirby from the original “thinking of shutting down the blog” post:
So, my condolences to you and you know where to find me.
But my weekday dance card is pretty full, so I’m going slow. We’re talking one episode a weekend, probably on Sundays, so I don’t get behind on my other shows.
Season 2 has 13 episodes, which would take us through mid-February. Depending on whether I can finish an episode today 🙂 Let’s see how this goes….
You’ll find a list of all our Al Otro Lado del Muro updates, plus other series information on this handy reference page.
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Enjoy On the Other Side of the Wall!
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Enjoy Blood and Wine!
Where is the recap for [show]?
- The philosophical answer: The recap doesn’t exist until it is written, so technically it is nowhere.
- The Tolkienesque answer: A recap arrives precisely when it means to.
- The navigational answer: All the recaps that are already written are posted somewhere on the blog. Use the top and/or sidebar menus to locate them.
Are you ever going to write more recaps for [show]?
- If the answer to this question is “no” for any reason, I promise I will answer the question directly.
- Otherwise, the answer to the question is “maybe, I’m not sure, things happen.”
- I try not to make plans because plans just make the universe laugh.
Why have you only written up to episode [#] when there are [>#] episodes in the show?
- Possibly we never got all the episodes here in the US. (for example: La Fan)
- Possibly the show ended quite some time ago and we’re making our meandering way through the episodes on the DVR while hoping the darn thing doesn’t crap out and make us have to stop, or we’ve been busy doing other things, or another show got our attention that we like much better but we haven’t decided to dump the first show yet, just to do it as time allows. (for example: Silvana sin Lana, La Mujer del Vendaval, Sangre de mi Tierra)
I hope you will continue writing recaps for [show] because I’m anxious to find out what happens.
- I hate to have anyone stressing about a show! Please do your best to remain calm. Anxiety doesn’t do anyone any good. It also doesn’t create more hours in my day or make my priorities shift or clear up other things in my life that need my attention.
I’m really waiting for the recaps for [show].
- Good. Excellent. Thanks for letting me know you’re interested.
It has been a long time since you posted.
- I’ve probably posted very recently, maybe even today. What I haven’t done is post another recap for the show you’re interested in, but to be fair (to me) even when I (Kat) am not personally posting anything, I do spend a lot of time on blog maintenance and improvements behind-the-scenes. I think I deserve some credit for that. Anyone else who writes on the blog also has a life outside the blog.
- Now, if we really have gone a long time between posts, that that’s probably a sign something in my life is not going well. I’ve had all sorts of minor and major drama that kept me away from the computer and/or DVR In the previous year. I don’t generally talk about it on the blog because I don’t think it matters why I’m not doing the thing someone wants me to do. I’m not going to open up about my personal life so that people can decide whether my absence is “excused” or “unexcused.”
After how many days do you write the recaps for [show]?
- It varies. Sometimes I’m writing while it airs, sometimes it’s after, sometimes it’s WAY after. (I think La Mujer del Vendaval has set the record for recaps written over a year since the date the show aired.)
Why did you stop writing recaps for [show]?
- See previous answers above, take your pick. I’m not going to answer the question. I don’t have a boss and I like it that way.
I need recaps for [show] please.
- Define “need.” Whether you mean:
- “I’m the only person I know watching this show and I really want to know if anyone else is watching it and what they think of it.”
- Or “I’m watching this show dubbed into English/with English-language subtitles, but I still don’t understand what’s happening.”
- Or “I don’t understand any Spanish at all, and there are no English-language subtitles available.”
I sympathize, but none of those situations in any way create an obligation on my part to recap. You’re welcome to come ask in the weekly Launch Pad post if anyone else is watching. You can also check places like Facebook and Twitter and maybe you’ll make some new friends.
- Well, bless your heart!
And because I like stats, here’s a comparison between the first and second year:
|(Approximate)||Year 1||Year 2|
|Most Popular Post||El Gran Final de ¿Quién es Quién?||El Gran Final de Guerra de Ídolos|
Thanks for coming to the party 🙂